tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post2267687091875961838..comments2023-04-07T08:20:05.494-05:00Comments on The Truth IN Context: Lutheran Vs. ReformedAlanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01152987444260369287noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-20816597951405998662012-02-20T13:11:55.878-06:002012-02-20T13:11:55.878-06:00I saw that an LCMS person stated, "Also, we d...I saw that an LCMS person stated, "Also, we don't believe that Baptism "saves" the baptized." According to the LCMS Dogmatics book, written by Mueller (pages 491-496), the Lutheran Church does believe that baptism brings justification. The author of this post has interpreted Lutheran theology correctly. As a Lutheran myself I want to say humbly that Calvin's exegesis on Baptism is remarkable and quite compelling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-20124314059974830012009-04-17T02:45:00.000-05:002009-04-17T02:45:00.000-05:00The "in" means that this where you will find Chris...The "in" means that this where you will find Christ..."in" the bread and wine. This is to help people to not look for Christ in other places.<br />The "With" means that Christ is with the bread and wine. This is against Rome's view that the bread and wine are not here anymore.<br />"Under" simply indicates that Christ is hidden for you here under this bread and wine. He is keeping his glory from hurting you.<br />I hope this helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-63666001105663436712008-10-23T12:36:00.000-05:002008-10-23T12:36:00.000-05:00As an LCMS Lutheran, my understanding is that we d...As an LCMS Lutheran, my understanding is that we don't call the sacrament of the Lord's Supper "consubstantiation" but "Real Presence" which does leave it a mystery as to what is going on. I think that's the whole point -- to reject a philosophical understanding of what is going on but believe that Christ is really present in the Lord's Supper and to accept that when you receive it. That is, the bread and wine aren't symbolic -- there is something more going on which makes it a sacrament. Also, we don't believe that Baptism "saves" the baptised. Some Lutherans may believe this but it isn't what the Lutheran church teaches. Baptism has the effect of washing away sin and allowing the Holy Spirit to live inside the one who is Baptized and give them the ability to believe in Christ through His Word. Not all will do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-84685211789331503242008-04-15T18:09:00.000-05:002008-04-15T18:09:00.000-05:00I hear the Lutherans don't like the term "consubst...I hear the Lutherans don't like the term "consubstantiation", but considering Clark's elaboration of the Lutheran view, perhaps they'd prefer Christ's "prepositional presence." In . . . with . . . under . . .<BR/><BR/>;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-86250194730079719332008-04-13T14:43:00.000-05:002008-04-13T14:43:00.000-05:00The danger in talking about Lutheranism is that th...The danger in talking about Lutheranism is that there are different kinds of Lutheran churches and their beliefs and practices vary widely. <BR/><BR/>I wrote an extremely long comment here, but you inspired me so I have decided to make that comment a post on my own site & invite you to read it <A HREF="http://www.hopefulspirit.com/2008/04/13/my-neighbor-believes-lutheranmy-neighbor-believes-lutheran/ " REL="nofollow">here</A>: <BR/><BR/>You have also inspired me to issue a call for guest bloggers. You can read about that On the Horizon, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-3291414489591801572008-04-12T11:52:00.000-05:002008-04-12T11:52:00.000-05:00Prof. Clark,Thank you so much for your clarificati...Prof. Clark,<BR/>Thank you so much for your clarification. I am always learning myself.<BR/><BR/>Eric,<BR/>Your welcome, hope it was helpful.<BR/><BR/>Jasko,<BR/>Thank you, it is comments like your that makes it all worthwhile when I wonder at times why I do this.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152987444260369287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-43849434834578404742008-04-12T06:28:00.000-05:002008-04-12T06:28:00.000-05:00One could truly learn from your site, thanks a lot...One could truly learn from your site, thanks a lot for sharing and your effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-6093927960998727032008-04-11T16:17:00.000-05:002008-04-11T16:17:00.000-05:00Alan,Thank you very much for putting this post tog...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Thank you very much for putting this post together. I appreciate it.<BR/><BR/>EricErichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306854704766653209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221001856162126448.post-12572768059263282532008-04-11T15:23:00.000-05:002008-04-11T15:23:00.000-05:00Alan,I'm not a Lutheran but I am the son of a Luth...Alan,<BR/><BR/>I'm not a Lutheran but I am the son of a Lutheran and was baptized by a Missouri Synod minister.<BR/><BR/>Technically "consubstantiation," even though frequently used to describe the Lutheran view, is probably not correct. The Lutherans confess that Christ's literal, physical body is "in" the bread, and "with" the bread, and "under" the bread. <BR/><BR/>We Reformed confess that the elements ARE Christ's body and blood sacramentally, that, in the supper, we eat the "proper and natural" body and blood (Belgic Conf. Art 35). How we do so is a mystery but it is an operation by the Holy Spirit. <BR/><BR/>We also differ from the Lutherans on Christology. We confess that Jesus' body is local and the Lutherans deny it. <BR/><BR/>We differ with them on baptism but it's less clear exactly how we differ with Luther. <BR/><BR/>We differ with them on predestination. The LCMS confesses unconditional election to salvation but they deny reprobation. They also confess that grace is resistible. We, of course, teach that grace is irresistible and we confess double predestination. The LCMS, however, does seem to teach a strong doctrine of sin that resembles ours.<BR/><BR/>We agree with the Lutherans on the law/gospel distinction and we agree with them on justification sola gratia et sola fide and we agree with them on sola Scriptura.R. Scott Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734965995130936606noreply@blogger.com