The goal of this blog is to raise the discernment level so woefully lacking in todays church. I am not in the church discipline business, that is for the congregations to do, which I might add is as woeful as the discernment. My job is to warn the sheep about the wolves and Rick Warren is one of the biggest wolves there is.
>Rick Warren signed a document declaring we worship the same god as Muslims
>Rick Warren refuses to discipline a pornographer in his congregation.
>Rick Warren praises a politician who supports abortion AND she speaks in his church.
>Rick Warren endorses "New Age" proponent.
You see I don't have Rick Warren's ear, I am not in his congregation, as a matter of fact I don't consider Rick Warren a brother therefore Biblical discipline is not an issue. I have the ears of a few brothers and I mean to sound the warning of this man's heresy until he repents or goes away. Rick Warren is a heretic. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM!!!
Saturday, February 9, 2008
Do I Have To Say This Once Again?
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8 comments:
Alan:
First...great picture of a wolf in sheep's clothing :-)
Second, I appreciate what you're doing with your blog. I might not always agree with you 100%, but I don't agree with myself half the time ;-) You're taking a stand for your faith, and that's something that a lot of people won't do. Even genuine Christians are sometimes afraid to stand up for God and the Bible.
I know that you're planning on going to seminary (this fall I think). Wherever you become a pastor, your church is going to be very blessed in having you. You will be a great asset to not only them, but the community in which you live. Keep doing what you're doing :-)
Alan:
I do have a question for you regarding this. First, let me say that I'm not trying to be "nit-picky" or even really disagree with you, but I do have a question/concern. Rick Warren says that he is Rupert Murdock's pastor. Rupert Murdock owns organizations/companies that basically make money from sin. It seems obvious that his pastor should discipline him regarding this. BUT...if that is the case, where does it stop? What if someone in Rick Warren's church owns stock in HarperCollins, should Mr. Warren discipline them? Should they sell the stock? I have cable TV (though not many channels). A few of the channels that I get occasionally show some "questionable material." Must I get rid of my TV b/c of that?
I guess what I'm asking is, where should we draw the line? I almost feel as if it's impossible NOT to support sin in some fashion in the United States. This is something that I've personally wrestled with, which is why I'm asking you. I'm curious as to what your views are, and I hope that you might be able to shed some light on the subject for me. Thanks.
Rhea,
There is a difference between passive and active here. If you have cable TV stations that broadcast sin, blatant sexual sin, you should probably get rid of them. If you have cable TV stations that reflect our culture, in all its glorious sinfulness, that is different. There is a clear line nudity, sexual content should be avoided, but we must engage the culture and if you watch a show that portrays pagans doing what pagans do in a non-pornographic way, then it is an issue of conscience. As long as it does not cause you to sin I think you are ok. Murdoch on the other hand owns TV stations that produce and broadcast pornography for profit, there is no gray area here, he should be under discipline if he claims the name of Christ. Does this help?
Alan:
I see what you're saying, and that does help. I think though, that to a certain degree, there is going to be somewhat of a "gray" area, because my conscience might not necessarily reflect your conscience (and vice versa). I know that for me, I tend to "err on the side of caution" with things like that, which leaves me ususally being a bit more conservative than others my age, even Christians my age.
Rhea,
I think you are being wise and I would tend to err on the side of caution as well. There are definitely gray areas, I just do not think Rupert Murdoch falls into one.
Alan:
Do you think that it's possible that in this video of Warren (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeETJTE1W4) that at the beginning, he might just be trying to reference the Book of James where we are told that "faith without works is dead"?
Does not the fact that it's a mere claim on Warren's part that he's Murdock's pastor mean he can't discipline him for allowing his businesses to profit from sinful businesses like those? I'll bet Rick couldn't cough up a membership form.
Wow, you hear the rumors of these things here and there, but then when you line them all up like this, it is pretty startling what a genuine liberal he is, politically and theologically.
Alan:
Here's some good stuff about Joel Osteen that I found on another blog:
http://reformationnation.wordpress.com/category/joel-osteen/
I thought that you might be interested in it.
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